Dre,
I may well be needlessy complicating things, it's just that anything I
*don't'* give attention to is going to stay sloppy, and I need to keep the
line 'energised' or the pitch will sag. On the other hand, I think Schubert
has this embellished 'eine' in order to build the emotion towards the
really important 'reiche' for which a sarcastic messa di voce is
appropriate, and leading to a contemptuously spat out 'Braut'. So the whole
phrase has that sort of shape. The fact that the repeat of the 'eine'
changes the notes suggests how integral the 'eine' is to the whole
emotional/dramatic structure (though not as important as the 'Eine' in 'Die
Rose, die Lilie, die Taube, die Sonne'!)
I agree with you about the end sound, and the actual sound I make there is
almost like an o (umlaut), though you seem to have made a tripthong out of
a dipthong.
I certainly don't mind your suggestions, nor that they inadvertently made
it into the public forum - I'm sure many of the people on the list are keen
on Lieder, and would follow a discussion of its minutiae keenly.
For myself, though I do strive for the highest standards, nothing is truly
easy for me. One of the things I really like about singing is the way that
it does require my full attention, which would not be the case if I were
more vocally facile. I have a problematic voice in that no other male in
this community has as big a voice as I, and so I have been called upon to
sing a wider range of material than would fit just one Fach. There is
no-one I can compare myself with, though knowledgeable people who have been
around tend in the direction of various kinds of baritone. I must go now,
and pick up my son from his daycare!
john
At 03:42 AM 6/15/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Dear John,
>
>I hope you don't mind me writing these sentences to
>you, but I got the feeling you were needlessly
>complicating your own life. I also did not send them
>to vocalist, because it might sound a bit arrogant, to
>give you advices, while I am still learning a lot
>myself. But if this helps, feel free to forward it to
>the list.
>
>Anyway: my own experience with 'Die Wetterfahne', and
>the knowledge about how to say this sentence in German
>in the situation where the poor guy is in, gave me the
>feeling that maybe you're making the 'eine' much too
>heavy.
>
>If you would say the sentence, you would emphasise the
>'reiche' (rich). The word 'eine' (which means both a
>and one) is not important, nobody is thinking, is she
>one, or two brides?
>
>So in my feeling the embellisment (that's what it is,
>is not it?) on the 'eine' is there, to postpone the
>word 'reiche' (rich), and to emphasise it extra in
>this way. In my opinion it is absolutely not necessary
>and even slightly ugly to make it as loud as or even
>louder as the 'reiche'.
>
>Finally I would make the word 'Braut' also loud,
>because it is here that we learn that the girl he
>love(s?d) has married another, and give the 't' extra
>attention, after all the guy is angry.
>
>Apart from that (but maybe it is not necessary
>anymore)I would change the vowels a bit different: I
>would put in a slight (unaudible) a (US pron.) before
>the n, just after the 'i' (e) so the a (US pron.)
>after the n will be easy. So: a a a a i (e) n e e
>(vowels as in German). The e (a in US pron.) at the
>end cannot be changed too much, esecially not towards
>the english e (Italian i), otherwise it does not sound
>German anymore. Changing it to the German 'oe' (o
>Umlaut) is possible though.
>
>It is just my 2 Pf, I just had the feeling, that if
>you have difficulties with those notes that i.m.o. are
>easy, you might be doing something Schubert did not
>expect you to do. The second possibility is, that the
>key you're singing it in is too high. Maybe I am
>completely wrong, and am I just missing the
>understanding for the way heavier voices have to work
>on those notes, then just ignore it, but the idea that
>you were investing a lot of time trying to emphasise a
>word, that should not be emphasised, so making your
>life too complicated, somehow forced me to write these
>lines.
>
>I would be glad if it helps,
>
>Best greetings,
>Dre
>
>--- John Alexander Blyth <BLYTHE@B...> wrote:
>> Well, list, I think I've passed the 40 hour mark,
>> working on 'die
>> Wetterfahne', over the last couple of months, and I
>> *still* don't have it
>> right!
>> I could just leave it there, but natural prolixity
>> causes me to add:
>> The other day I spent a half hour on on just two
>> melismata on the word
>> 'eine' (as in 'Ihr Kind ist eine reiche Braut') for
>> future singers of this
>> song I submit this - a-a-a-ih-nih-ih as the solution
>> I decided to go with
>> and 'practice in'. Each note is a fairly full chest
>> voice with an
>> individual appoggio for each to keep the pitch from
>> sagging.
>> But for some people my prima vista zip through this
>> piece would probably
>> have been quite beautiful and exciting, and for
>> those people I am also
>> grateful!
>> john
>> John Blyth
>> Baritono robusto e lirico
>> Brandon, Manitoba, Canada
>>
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