I suppose I still count as German, especially since it is my first language. Unfortunately my knowledge of diction and the language surrounding diction is quite poor. I'll try to briefly describe how I pronounce 'r's' and am quite happy to answer any questions privately or over Vocalist.
1) I only have a very slight flip/trill the 'r', although it is stronger when the 'r' is at the beginning of the syllable. To be fair, I have a tremendously difficult time trilling my 'r's' when I speak Spanish. 2) In my experience, the 'r' is more strongly flipped/trilled when sung than when spoken. 3) Unfortunately there are significant regional differences. There's a German TV presenter for Bavaria, Caroline Reiber, who has a tremendous trill in her 'r'.
Anyway, I hope that helps. I'm having German relatives in town this weekend and will check with them (and also just listen actively at their 'r's'). I'll post if I find out anything new, or to the contrary of my initial post.
Cheers, Ingo
==========Original message========== Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:57:42 -0500 From: John Alexander Blyth <BLYTHE@B...> From: John Alexander Blyth <BLYTHE@B...> Subject: Re: Diction: German r's and how to treat/teach them
I'm not German, but since no German listers seem to have responded I'll take a stab. (I have been told by German speakers more than once that I *do* pronounce German like a native though.). I generally flip the 'r' very gently at the end of a syllable, somewhat more strongly at the beginning. This would be for Lieder. I notice that as Papageno I roll them a bit more, and still more in a Praetorius thing I did a few years ago, so I think period and genre must be taken into consideration. For me this is a matter of both taste and consistency, and thus somewhat personal. john
At 09:51 PM 10/22/00 -0400, Cindy wrote: >Dear list, >More and more the final 'r' in German lyric diction is being treated >as a schwa /@/ or as the upside-down lowercase 'a' (lowest back >vowel). I continue to teach all r's as flipped or rolled with the >caution that current practice is changing. I do this because most >voice teachers and many coaches treat the r's as flipped and many >native-speaking singers of German still flip all r's.
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