I suppose I still count as German, especially since it is my first
language. Unfortunately my knowledge of diction and the language
surrounding diction is quite poor. I'll try to briefly describe how I
pronounce 'r's' and am quite happy to answer any questions privately or
over Vocalist.
1) I only have a very slight flip/trill the 'r', although it is
stronger when the 'r' is at the beginning of the syllable. To be fair,
I have a tremendously difficult time trilling my 'r's' when I speak
Spanish.
2) In my experience, the 'r' is more strongly flipped/trilled when sung
than when spoken.
3) Unfortunately there are significant regional differences. There's a
German TV presenter for Bavaria, Caroline Reiber, who has a tremendous
trill in her 'r'.
Anyway, I hope that helps. I'm having German relatives in town this
weekend and will check with them (and also just listen actively at
their 'r's'). I'll post if I find out anything new, or to the contrary
of my initial post.
Cheers,
Ingo
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:57:42 -0500
From: John Alexander Blyth <BLYTHE@B...>
From: John Alexander Blyth <BLYTHE@B...>
Subject: Re: Diction: German r's and how to treat/teach them
I'm not German, but since no German listers seem to have responded I'll
take a stab. (I have been told by German speakers more than once that I
*do* pronounce German like a native though.). I generally flip the 'r'
very gently at the end of a syllable, somewhat more strongly at the
beginning. This would be for Lieder. I notice that as Papageno I roll
them a bit more, and still more in a Praetorius thing I did a few years
ago, so I think period and genre must be taken into consideration. For
me this is a matter of both taste and consistency, and thus somewhat
personal. john
At 09:51 PM 10/22/00 -0400, Cindy wrote:
>Dear list,
>More and more the final 'r' in German lyric diction is being treated
>as a schwa /@/ or as the upside-down lowercase 'a' (lowest back
>vowel). I continue to teach all r's as flipped or rolled with the
>caution that current practice is changing. I do this because most
>voice teachers and many coaches treat the r's as flipped and many
>native-speaking singers of German still flip all r's.
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