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From:  Tako Oda <toda@m...>
Tako Oda <toda@m...>
Date:  Tue Oct 24, 2000  5:05 pm
Subject:  Re: Entrenched Thinking or Pops VS Ops


On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Caio Rossi wrote:
> The Beatles are sociologically more important than probably any other
> musicians in history, but they're not culturally more important. Based
> on what classical musicians did, they were reptiles!!!

George Harrison was the first guitarist to use feedback as a musical
artifact, and a pioneer of minimalism (something he picked up while in
India). John Lennon (along with Yoko Ono) was a leader of the avant garde
movement. Many "serious" composers of today borrow techniques the Beatles
championed, such as minimalism, tape loops, sound:as:music, performance
art, sound filters, non-functional dissonance, multimedia.

Who are you to judge other people so harshly anyway?

It's like you take joy in being a devil's advocate. I sense you are
reveling in the intellectualism of arguing, and that you actually have no
deep emotional investment in anything you are saying. I am an ethnic
minority in the US, so my survival depends on subverting many of the
paradigms you are promoting. We're not on the same level here -
imperialism, capitalism, academic elitism and ethnocentric intelligence
criteria require no champions - they are doing quite well without your
help. Who benefits from your defending them?

I only argue because every little thing you say erodes the hard earned
freedoms so-called 'leftists' have gained for me and other people who
traditionally have little power. I am not saying the things I say to be
contrarian, politically correct or inflammatory. It is not a form of
abstract, mental masturbation for me. You seem to argue simply because you
can and you like the negative attention, and I resent it.

Tako


PS you assumed about me:
> What Tako is suggesting is that a car and a bike are only different
> kinds of transportation. Although a bike is more useful for certain
> purposes ( mostly for pain in the bottom ), a car ( and mostly a BMW )
> is MORE than a bike.

I need to defend my stripes here: Actually, I believe cars are *inferior*,
as they use fuel that is 1) hard to replenish 2) pollute the air 3)
controlled by a cartel and 4) warred over time and time again. Bikes are
cheap, great exercise and easily parked. Of course, a BMW can make a
wannabe feel like they are rich on a middle-class budget - maybe that is
their advantage in your eyes?


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